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BigEvil
08-22-2008, 08:46 AM
The morning of Tunaball II with all of the commotion going on, I busted my Halo shell while putting my Xmag together. I was meaning to take a closer look at the Torque on someone's recommendation anyhow and not in the mood to buy and change the halo shell, I forked over the $95 and got me a Torque.

First Impressions:
Overall looks of this loader are damn sexy. The profile is lower than the Halo or Vlocity. Simple one button on/off and a separate momentary pushbutton for 'reverse' were also very nice features. The Torque uses one or two 9v batteries, so it is inherently lighter than the halo with its 6 AA battery pack.

Another nice feature was that the shell is 'tool-less' take down. There are 2 spring loaded nubs inside the loader that you push down and then simply pull the two halves of the shell apart.

Price tag was ok at just under $100, especially remembering that I paid $100 for my Vlocity jr at EMR when my Halo would not see the dark green paint.

Playing with the Torque:
The lid (and the tool less shells) take some breaking in to work easily. The lid was a royal pain in the ass that first time out. I would have to struggle with closing it. After a bunch of times, the plastic parts started to play nicely together. One side effect of the design is that you can just thump the top of the loader with your hand the the lid opens.

Both the mouth and capacity of the loader are small. The opening you can get used to, not having those 20-30 shots is a tough sell. Im usually not much of a paint hog, but you need to let the loader empty out more in order to fit a whole pod in it.

The speed of the Torque with the smaller 150 motor was adequate but nothing spectacular. On semi with my Xmag there were a few times the lvl 10 kicked in, which NEVER happens with either my Halo or VL Jr.


Lasting Impressions.
I dont know what happened, but around the 2nd or 3rd time I was using my Torque, it started making this insane 'clacking' noise. Being an "always on" loader, it relies on the clutch system not to squish paint. This clutch consists of two parts, a top and bottom - both containing powerful rare-earth magnets in different arrangements. The top part is connected to the shaft on the motor and the drive cone (bottom) uses the clutch to 'slip' when no paint is being fed.

This infernal noise started right when we were beginning a woodsball game. Everyone within 10 feet of me heard it. According to what Ive read, this noise is normal. Despite people's best efforts to eliminate the noise, there appears to be no way to stop it and still have the loader working properly.

Another thing with this contraption, is that it doesnt get great battery life so stock up on 9vs.

Conclusion.
The Hard Corps Torque loader is a serious case of "Hard-Corp" bullshit and a major disappointment. Despite its promising features and reasonable price tag, that damn noise and crappy battery life have knocked my Torque to 'Third String" status behind my Halo and VL Jr.

Continuing efforts to contact Hard Corp via email or phone have been unsuccessful. It would also seem that I am not the only one who is unable to get a hold of them, since there appears to be many others gripping about this.

My recommendation is to forget this thing even exists. If you are in the market for a loader, you really cannot go wrong with a tried-and-true Halo.

Altec
08-22-2008, 11:32 AM
I was going to buy one before, but then I decided not to. You need a new loader look on Compulsive, or AV at the reloader B/B2. They are under $90.

robnix
08-22-2008, 12:58 PM
The morning of Tunaball II with all of the commotion going on, I busted my Halo shell while putting my Xmag together. I was meaning to take a closer look at the Torque on someone's recommendation anyhow and not in the mood to buy and change the halo shell, I forked over the $95 and got me a Torque.

First Impressions:
Overall looks of this loader are damn sexy. The profile is lower than the Halo or Vlocity. Simple one button on/off and a separate momentary pushbutton for 'reverse' were also very nice features. The Torque uses one or two 9v batteries, so it is inherently lighter than the halo with its 6 AA battery pack.

Another nice feature was that the shell is 'tool-less' take down. There are 2 spring loaded nubs inside the loader that you push down and then simply pull the two halves of the shell apart.

Price tag was ok at just under $100, especially remembering that I paid $100 for my Vlocity jr at EMR when my Halo would not see the dark green paint.

Playing with the Torque:
The lid (and the tool less shells) take some breaking in to work easily. The lid was a royal pain in the ass that first time out. I would have to struggle with closing it. After a bunch of times, the plastic parts started to play nicely together. One side effect of the design is that you can just thump the top of the loader with your hand the the lid opens.

Both the mouth and capacity of the loader are small. The opening you can get used to, not having those 20-30 shots is a tough sell. Im usually not much of a paint hog, but you need to let the loader empty out more in order to fit a whole pod in it.

The speed of the Torque with the smaller 150 motor was adequate but nothing spectacular. On semi with my Xmag there were a few times the lvl 10 kicked in, which NEVER happens with either my Halo or VL Jr.


Lasting Impressions.
I dont know what happened, but around the 2nd or 3rd time I was using my Torque, it started making this insane 'clacking' noise. Being an "always on" loader, it relies on the clutch system not to squish paint. This clutch consists of two parts, a top and bottom - both containing powerful rare-earth magnets in different arrangements. The top part is connected to the shaft on the motor and the drive cone (bottom) uses the clutch to 'slip' when no paint is being fed.

This infernal noise started right when we were beginning a woodsball game. Everyone within 10 feet of me heard it. According to what Ive read, this noise is normal. Despite people's best efforts to eliminate the noise, there appears to be no way to stop it and still have the loader working properly.

Another thing with this contraption, is that it doesnt get great battery life so stock up on 9vs.

Conclusion.
The Hard Corps Torque loader is a serious case of "Hard-Corp" bullshit and a major disappointment. Despite its promising features and reasonable price tag, that damn noise and crappy battery life have knocked my Torque to 'Third String" status behind my Halo and VL Jr.

Continuing efforts to contact Hard Corp via email or phone have been unsuccessful. It would also seem that I am not the only one who is unable to get a hold of them, since there appears to be many others gripping about this.

My recommendation is to forget this thing even exists. If you are in the market for a loader, you really cannot go wrong with a tried-and-true Halo.
Isn't there a thread over at AO on modding this so it isn't so damn noisy? Or was that the Magna?

Gandalf
08-22-2008, 02:04 PM
Isn't there a thread over at AO on modding this so it isn't so damn noisy? Or was that the Magna?


Yup, here.........http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=233780

Iggy42
08-23-2008, 03:33 AM
It has to be this thing since I am currently using a Magna and I never know when it spins

BigEvil
08-23-2008, 11:34 AM
I tried that mod, and just like the guys in the thread are reporting, it kills the battery life. Mine went dead in under an hour and the motor got really hot.

tymcneer
08-27-2008, 10:34 AM
How about you bring it down for the PIU game in September? (Or are you attending the Fall West Point game?) I can convince Altec to take a look at it. I figure that between the two of us, we can figure something out.

One quick question... If you were to flip the magnets so that they are repelling, instead of attracting, would the feed cone remain in place, of simply pop off? You would need to create a way to shim the feed cone closer to the drive cone, as that would increase the stack tension.

Ty

BigEvil
08-27-2008, 11:02 AM
How about you bring it down for the PIU game in September? (Or are you attending the Fall West Point game?) I can convince Altec to take a look at it. I figure that between the two of us, we can figure something out.

One quick question... If you were to flip the magnets so that they are repelling, instead of attracting, would the feed cone remain in place, of simply pop off? You would need to create a way to shim the feed cone closer to the drive cone, as that would increase the stack tension.

Ty


You cant really put it together with the magnets repelling, and I they need to attract in order for the drive cone to feed paint.

There are two thin shims made of what is best described as wax paper between the two clutch halves that separate the magnets. I made some additional shims by tracing them on 10 thou sheet plastic. I then experiments with adding them between the existing two waxy ones. Adding them keeps the magnets separated and in their holes. My first attempt was very promising. I dumped a pod in, and no clacking. However, when I went to empty the paint back into the pod, the drive cone did not get enough traction to push it out of the loader.

The conclusion that I have come to, is that clacking noise is the magnets being pulled together and then separating as the clutch assembly moves and the drive cone remains stationary. I was speaking to someone last night who is familiar with this whole issue, and he said that they are using dow33 on the magnets to help keep them put and lube the clutch. (Of course lubing the clutch didnt sound to smart) but they say it works great.

Im going to try it later tonight. I would also guess that the dow would eventually wear off. I may consider gluing the magnets into place.

tymcneer
08-27-2008, 11:19 AM
Are the magnets "floating" in a pocket? If so, are they capable of actually touching?

How about a very think aluminium shim that goes between the feed cone and drive plate? That *should* keep the magnets from "banging" together and making all that noise...

Ty

BigEvil
08-27-2008, 11:39 AM
Are the magnets "floating" in a pocket? If so, are they capable of actually touching?

How about a very think aluminium shim that goes between the feed cone and drive plate? That *should* keep the magnets from "banging" together and making all that noise...

Ty


The magnets sit in individual holes. What I noticed, is that the loader was quiet when it was new, and started clacking after about 4 uses. My theory is that when it was new, the magnets fit in their holes very snugly, and thus there was no noise. (also the fact They did not just fall out when taking the clutch assembly apart supports this). Now, they come out very easily.

There are two thin 'wax paper' shims/washers keeping the magnets from physically touching. Adding any more or increasing the thickness, or decreasing he magnets ability to attract each other hinders the drive cones ability to push balls out of the loader.

Basically, it looks like I need the magnets to stay put.

tymcneer
08-27-2008, 09:37 PM
Use wax to temporarily "glue" the magnets in place?

Ty

BigEvil
08-27-2008, 09:58 PM
Use wax to temporarily "glue" the magnets in place?

Ty

I did the dow 33 thing. Worked ok, didnt kill the noise enough for me. It also slowed down the loader from a dead stop.

Im going to superglue the magnets in. The magnet housings are made of plastic similar to what the shell is made from. The glue will stick, but not well enough that I could not remove the magnets if I wanted to.

tymcneer
08-28-2008, 09:58 AM
Yep, that was what I was worried about... Making the magnets permanent could pose a problem, later. :D

Ty

BigEvil
08-28-2008, 10:03 AM
Yep, that was what I was worried about... Making the magnets permanent could pose a problem, later. :D

Ty

another thing about this steaming turd, is that now the drive assembly will wobble on the motor shaft. UGH. Damn plastic crap.

BigEvil
08-30-2008, 01:39 PM
:banghead:

Ok get ready for this.

You want your Torque to stop making noise? Take the two plastic shims OUT. As simple as that.


SONOFABITCH!!!

tymcneer
09-02-2008, 10:20 AM
Sounds like it is time for better internals! Ok... I guess I need one to strip down, and use as a test platform. :(

Anyone have one they want to sell cheap? Or maybe loan me for a while? :D

Ty